2022-05-17 Meeting notes

Attendees

  • Thomas Bustos, Chair

  • Jackie Gosselar, Vice Chair

  • Caitlin Nelson

  • Danielle Westbrook

  • Mallory Gianola, Support Member

 

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OT-SC + DWW SILS Analytics check-in

Discuss UCOP Statistics and Analytics in SILS

50 mins

Team

  • Goals for today:

  • Instead of the write-up and ask document that has been prepared, what if we went back to a 3-5 bullet point document to provide to DOC

    • How is this different than the request to LG?

      • The original document is covering a lot of ground, and is a combination of requests and some information/context

        • Wondering if it might be most impactful for the OT and Ops Center to document the present status or state of affairs for analytics in the SILS

          • Reaffirming our shared desire to have shared data, but at present, this is not available to us in the NZ for reporting ‘21-’22 data; so instead it needs to be reported from the IZ

          • Then when we go to report out the data, there is a high-level summary of the imperfectness of that data

  • Most of the anxiety at UCB, was how to go about collecting the stats; hoping the NZ analytics could serve some of that but realization that it has to happen on an IZ scale caused anxiety

    • There is an assumption that we can use templates from already Alma campuses, but for some of the new to Alma campuses, this reporting might be more complex

    • Would still require quiet a bit of modification for UCB to use what some of the already Alma campuses have done previously

  • Interested in how the current context can be massaged to further set the stage for the recipients of the write-up

    • Discussion about the section related to morale; does it make sense to include this section in the write-up?

  • The purpose of doing a smaller 3-5 bullet point document would be to set the expectations for what the data will look like this year, especially pointing out the issues with the data

    • But do not include an ask; just acknowledge the present state with which we will be reporting

    • Do not have to report the specific areas that will be problematic, just note that the data is compromised

      • There are data integrity issues, both in terms of missing data, and existing data that doesn’t align as an artifact of migration

  • Seeking excusal is not possible, some data (ARL) is a requirement of membership

  • What would be the outcome we might face if we produce “wonky” data and caveat it - would there be negative outcomes from that?

    • Depends on the data, but would be a campus specific decision as to whether they use that data, or use previous year’s data

    • It’s okay, this has happened before; this is a larger scale since it is a systemwide issue

    • Besides working with the vendor and continuing to do data clean-up, this is the best we could do at the moment

    • It’s not up to a systemwide group to decide what individual campuses will do to report to third parties, etc.

  • Even if the data is crummy, it’s still good

    • Normalize that we are restricted by the systems we use, and it’s no individual’s fault

    • Support one another, support that everyone is still learning, etc.

  • Why is SILS-OT trying to be on top of this; what is the scope of what SILS-OT is trying to do?

    • We are hearing anecdotally from our people that many of the SILS members who work with Alma are being implicated in analytics

      • So we as the OT are trying to figure out what support is available

    • What does “SILS” doesn’t own statistics mean?

      • SILS the governance board does not own statistics; i.e. LG can’t extend the deadline

      • However this is the place where it bubbled up, and nobody else was addressing it

      • Also, OT is the main group where there is full representation from all campuses and CDL

      • SILS was the catalyst for change and how statistics are collected for a lot of the schedules and more of it is grouped together

        • Trying to figure out these processes is largely understanding this new system and depending on the expertise of our resources

      • It is still a shared goal that we move to centralized NZ reporting

  • How do we want to use this meeting to support success with the greater group tomorrow?

    • This meeting will help layout the changes in approach; at this point we will not be asking for anything, just describing the situation

      • Need to explain to the larger group the changes in approach

      • Explain that we don’t need to ask for permission to have “wonky” stats, and instead tell DOC and CoUL we will be doing our best, but nonetheless, we will have issues with our data because of x, y, and z

        • Is this enough to help people feel supported?

          • May require some coaching, but this will probably help people feel supported

    • And then open it up to questions from the larger OT group

  • Would be helpful for Danielle to explain our obligations with the data reporting at our OT meeting tomorrow

    • Danielle can talk about our current data obligations; what CDL does with the reformatting and reprocessing

  • In terms of what’s the best path forward, who would be best to address that?

    • Tom and Jackie will cover this, and that it is changing from being an ask to more of a description of where things are

  • Danielle can speak to the consequences of having “wonky” data

    • Each institution will be empowered to look at their data, see what it looks like, and determine how and what they report based on what the data reflects and how they want to move forward

      • We report the best we can based on the tools and data that are available

      • The perspective of “bigger” being important is likely no longer true; but folks are still feeling the pressure to always have stats that increase, otherwise there will be consequences

        • Money and funding might also be the reason for people feeling this pressure

          • That’s understandable, but hopefully there are other things that will be considered when determining this

  • Also want to touch on tomorrow, the update from ExL that they know what we want even if they can’t provide it right now

  • Decision on the current write-up: freeze it as is, and pull from it as needed

  • 3-5 Analytics Bullet points document

    • Have on hand for tomorrow

  • Q&A Document

    • Framework for tomorrow

    • If there are any questions Danielle can’t answer tomorrow, she will take them away and follow-up afterwards

  • Who will be drafting the next write-up to DOC and CoUL aka the 3-5 bullet points?

    • Caitlin, Tom, and Jackie can work on drafting this new write-up, using the previous write-up as a jumping off point

      • At the end of the discussion tomorrow, explain that we are re-working it from an ask to a current status document and open it up to folks from OT if they want to participate in writing this new document

      • It was really helpful to have John assist with the previous write-up, so we should ask if he is willing to help with the new write-up

        • Tom will ask John after tomorrow’s (5/18) OT meeting via Slack if he would be willing to help with the new Analytics write-up

 

@Caitlin Nelson will update the top of the Analytics in the SILS (May 2022): Request and Recommendations document to note that it’s frozen and was never submitted, and will move it into the analytics folder
@Tom Bustos will ask John after tomorrow’s (5/18) OT meeting via Slack if he would be willing to help with the new Analytics write-up
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50 mins

 

 

 

 

 

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